Latvia urged the EU and NATO to send a signal to Moscow about "consequences of escalation"

RIGA, 28 Nov – The EU and NATO should send a signal to Russia that in the event of an escalation on the border with Ukraine, there will be “very clear consequences,” said Latvian Prime Minister Krisjanis Karins.
According to him, currently in Europe there are several hybrid threats at the same time, one of them is the migration crisis on the borders of Belarus with Latvia, Lithuania and Poland and the EU, and the second is the concentration of Russian troops near the borders of Ukraine.
“It is important that the European Union and NATO monitor the situation near the borders of Ukraine and give Russia a signal that in the event of an escalation, very clear consequences are expected,” Karins said at a press conference in Riga after meeting with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.
Kiev and Western states have recently expressed concern about the alleged intensification of “aggressive actions” by Russia near the borders of Ukraine. Press Secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov said that Russia is moving troops within its territory and at its own discretion. According to him, this does not threaten anyone and should not worry anyone. Moscow has repeatedly expressed concern about the buildup of NATO forces in Europe. The Kremlin stressed that Russia poses no threat to anyone, but will not disregard actions that are potentially dangerous to its interests.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
On Friday, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that in addition to the two thousandth refugee camp in the trade and logistics center near the border with Poland, about 2-3 thousand more migrants from the Middle East may now be in the republic. At the same time, earlier, about a thousand migrants, according to him, voluntarily returned to their homeland. Migrants return both by evacuation flights and individually. At the same time, the refugees in the transport and logistics center, according to the Belarusian authorities, generally do not yet express a desire to return to their homeland, awaiting a humanitarian corridor to the EU countries.

In Belarus, it was reported that ten refugees are in hospitals

MINSK, 28 Nov – The Ministry of Health of Belarus said that ten refugees from the Bruzgi transport and logistics center, located near the Polish border, are being treated and examined in Grodno hospitals.
“Now in hospitals in Grodno, 10 refugees who live in a logistics center on the Belarusian-Polish border are undergoing inpatient treatment and examinations,” the statement reads. Telegram channel ministries.
It is specified that seven of these patients are children, their condition is stable. There are also three adults in hospitals. “Two – for the second week. Another adult patient was hospitalized yesterday with suspected pneumonia. During the examination, pneumonia was excluded. Today it is planned to be discharged,” the ministry said.
They emphasized that all patients who were tested for the antigen tested negative for coronavirus.
In total, according to the report, during the existence of the spontaneous refugee camp, consultative medical assistance was provided to more than a thousand refugees, and more than 100 migrants received treatment.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
On Friday, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that, in addition to the two thousandth refugee camp in the trade and logistics center near the border with Poland, in the republic there may now be about 2-3 thousand more migrants from the Middle East. At the same time, earlier, about a thousand migrants, according to him, voluntarily returned to their homeland. Migrants return both by evacuation flights and individually. At the same time, the refugees in the transport and logistics center, according to the Belarusian authorities, generally do not yet express a desire to return to their homeland, awaiting a humanitarian corridor to the EU countries.
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money nor energy for this. The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

Polish Prime Minister criticized Merkel for calling Lukashenko

BERLIN, 28 Nov – Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki criticized the Acting German Chancellor Angela Merkel for a phone call with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.
“The European Union should participate in the search for a diplomatic solution. But when Chancellor Merkel called Mr. Lukashenko, she contributed to the legitimization of his regime, although the struggle for a free Belarus has been going on for 15 months,” Moravetsky said in an interview with the DPA news agency.
According to him, the President of Belarus “abused” the conversation with Merkel and pretended that she agreed to transport 2,000 illegal migrants to Germany and other countries.
Lukashenko and Merkel held two telephone conversations on November 15 and 17, during which the politician discussed the migration crisis at the EU borders. Merkel said that Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko is a contact person in the migration crisis, but this does not change anything in the fact that the presidential elections in Belarus in Germany are not considered legitimate.
Recently, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk rejects all charges. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money nor energy for this.” The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

Poland is ready to finance the return of migrants to their homeland, the prime minister said

BERLIN, 28 Nov – Poland is ready to finance the return of illegal migrants from Belarus to their homeland and will cooperate on this issue if Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko “shows good will,” said Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.
“If Lukashenka shows goodwill, we will immediately recognize this positive signal and will cooperate in financing the return of migrants to their homeland in Iraq and other countries. This should be a common effort, but we can act very quickly and independently,” the politician said in an interview dpa agency.
According to Morawiecki, the European Union should also make its own contribution, since migrants do not intend to stay in Poland, but want to go to Germany or the Netherlands. “But we do not want to wait for the European Union,” the Prime Minister said.
The politician also noted that the country now does not need the assistance of the EU border protection agency Frontex. “We have 15 thousand border guards, and Frontex has up to 1200 border guards and coast guards on all external borders of the European Union. In addition to border guards, we have 15 thousand soldiers. So we have a fairly strong border,” Morawiecki said, adding that Poland protects the EU from the new migration crisis.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money nor energy for this. The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

Zakharova commented on the words of the Pope about "cemetery" migrants

MOSCOW, 28 Nov – The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova, commenting on the words of Pope Francis about the Mediterranean Sea as a “big cemetery” for illegal migrants, recalled that neither Belarus nor Russia, which Western countries tried to blame for the migration crisis, does not wash the Mediterranean Sea.
The fact that Russia has nothing to do with the migration crisis on the border of Belarus and Poland, Zakharova previously stated. She also noted that the West is “pulling” Russia into the migration crisis on the Polish-Belarusian border in order to use it as a “heavyweight” factor for accusations.
Pope Francis on Saturday in his address on the occasion of his upcoming visit to Greece and Cyprus called the Mediterranean Sea “a great cemetery” because of the large number of illegal migrants killed in it. He also noted that those who in recent years have landed on the shores of the continent, fleeing “war and poverty”, often encounter not hospitality, but “hostility and even exploitation.”
“Pope Francis called for the manifestation of mercy towards refugees and called the Mediterranean Sea a” big cemetery “, in the waters of which a huge number of illegal migrants perish. Telegram channel
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money, nor effort.” The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

The fourth export flight with migrants on board departed from Minsk to Erbil

MINSK, 28 Nov – The evacuation flight of the Iraqi airline Iraqi Airways, which will deliver the Iraqi migrants to their homeland, departed from the Minsk National Airport, according to this online arrivals and departures board on the airport’s website.
According to the scoreboard, the Iraqi Airways flight flew to Erbil. Earlier it was reported that the Boeing 747-400 plane will deliver about 430 migrants to Iraq.
This is the fourth export flight by Iraqi Airways this week, bringing home Iraqi citizens who previously unsuccessfully tried to get from Belarus to the EU. In total, five flights were carried out in November. The total number of Iraqi migrants who will return to their homeland from the Belarusian territory on export flights will amount to almost 1,900 by Sunday, said earlier a spokesman for the Iraqi Foreign Ministry, Ahmad al-Sahhaf. In addition, two more outbound flights to Erbil are scheduled for early next week.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
On Friday, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that, in addition to the two thousandth refugee camp in the trade and logistics center near the border with Poland, in the republic there may now be about 2-3 thousand more migrants from the Middle East. At the same time, earlier, about a thousand migrants, according to him, voluntarily returned to their homeland. Migrants return both by evacuation flights and individually. At the same time, the refugees in the trade and logistics center, according to the Belarusian authorities, generally do not yet express a desire to return to their homeland, waiting for a humanitarian corridor to the EU countries.
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money, nor effort.” The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

The Security Council of Belarus told about the reaction to provocations at the border

MINSK, 27 Nov – State Secretary of the Security Council of Belarus Alexander Volfovich said that the republic’s authorities are ready to adequately respond to possible provocations at the border.
“Of course, we are analyzing the situation. Our forces and means are ready to act adequately in the event, God forbid, unleashing some provocative actions,” Volfovich said in an interview with STV television, an excerpt of which is posted on the channel’s website.
According to him, “everything that has been created today on the border (in neighboring countries – ed.) Can provoke a situation.” “It’s like that spark. And, probably, the plague heads are counting on something that we will succumb to panic, including our commander-in-chief will give the order to push the groupings to the border. in terms of the size of hostilities can lead to a large-scale war. We are sensible about these things and will not allow us to be provoked. Of course, we are ready to repulse, “the Secretary of State emphasized.
He drew attention to the fact that “under the guise of fighting illegal migration, refugees, in order to put a barrier to Europe, only on the territory of Poland (military – ed.) A group of 23 thousand people has been created.” “About 15 thousand of them are servicemen of different types of troops. We have reconnaissance forces and means working, monitoring. All this cannot but cause anxiety among military people,” Volfovich emphasized.
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money, nor effort.”
Meanwhile, Poland has increased the number of security officials against the backdrop of the emergence of a spontaneous 2,000-strong camp of Middle Eastern refugees in the Belarusian-Polish camp. The Ministry of Defense of Belarus said that Poland’s decision to concentrate 23,000 troops, tanks, air defense systems and other heavy weapons near the border with Belarus cannot be called an adequate response to the migration crisis. The department said that this is more like the creation of shock groupings of troops. The head of the Belarusian Defense Ministry Viktor Khrenin said that the buildup of NATO forces near the republic’s borders and the strengthening of the military component of Poland can be regarded as “a complex of measures to prepare for war.” According to him, it seems that Poland wants to unleash the conflict by dragging the EU into it.

Minsk Airport announced changes in the schedule of export flights to Iraq

MINSK, 27 Nov – The national airport “Minsk” announced changes in the schedule of export flights by the Iraqi Airways, the time was adjusted, one flight was postponed.
Earlier, the national airport “Minsk” said that on Friday-Saturday two humanitarian flights by Iraqi Airways are expected, which will take Iraqi migrants to Erbil from among those who unsuccessfully tried to get through the Belarusian territory to the EU. Both flights will be operated by Iraqi Airways on Boeing 747-400 aircraft, and will take out about 430 migrants. The first of these flights was originally expected to be operated on Friday evening, but in fact, it departed Friday night. The second of the announced flights is expected on Saturday at 23.45 (the same time as Moscow time). The airport then announced that two more evening outbound flights to Iraq would be operated on November 28 and 29.
“On November 28, there will be no flight. On November 29, arrival at the national airport” Minsk “is at 12.45, departure to Erbil at 13.45,” the airport said in its Telegram channel.
At the same time, it was announced that the flight was planned to be performed on November 30: the aircraft’s arrival at the national airport “Minsk” is scheduled at 12.45, and the flight to Erbil – at 13.45. It is emphasized that changes in the flight schedule are possible.
Thus, the number of Iraqi Airways evacuation flights this week may reach four, and in total for November – seven.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
On Friday, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that, in addition to the two thousandth refugee camp in the trade and logistics center near the border with Poland, in the republic there may now be about 2-3 thousand more migrants from the Middle East. At the same time, earlier, about a thousand migrants, according to him, voluntarily returned to their homeland. Migrants return both by evacuation flights and individually. At the same time, the refugees in the trade and logistics center, according to the Belarusian authorities, generally do not yet express a desire to return to their homeland, waiting for a humanitarian corridor to the EU countries.
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money, nor effort.” The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

The Lithuanian Border Guard Service is ready for "invasion" migrants, media reported

MOSCOW, November 27 – Thanks to the active assistance of the Lithuanian army and police, the border service will be able to quickly mobilize its forces in the event of a possible “armed invasion” of migrants from Belarus, said the head of the Lithuanian state border guard Rustamas Lyubaevas in an interview with the newspaper.Lietuvos ritas“.
“The actions of our service have recently been coordinated with the country’s army, since one of the possible scenarios on the part of illegal migrants is an armed invasion … The army and the police are especially helpful, so we will be able to quickly mobilize forces if there are any attempts to organize an armed invasion of our country “, – said Lyubaevas.
The head of the border service also noted that last week, routes for the delivery of migrants to the territory of Lithuania were discovered. “It is already clear that their transportation is organized by citizens of other countries. Recently, it has been established that among them there are many Ukrainian citizens with a residence permit in Poland,” he said.
According to Lyubaevas, there are now about 1000-1500 migrants on the border between Lithuania and Belarus. A barbed wire fence more than a hundred kilometers long has already been built, and it is planned to build a fence by the fall of next year.
Recently, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk rejects all charges. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money nor energy for this.” The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

In Minsk, reported an increase in the number of export flights to Iraq

MINSK, 27 Nov – The national airport “Minsk” announced an increase in the number of export flights of the Iraqi Airways: another flight was added for November 29.
Earlier, the national airport “Minsk” said that on Friday-Saturday two humanitarian flights by Iraqi Airways are expected, which will take Iraqi migrants to Erbil from among those who unsuccessfully tried to get through the Belarusian territory to the EU. Both flights will be operated by Iraqi Airways on Boeing 747-400 aircraft, each carrying around 430 migrants. The first of these flights was originally expected to be operated on Friday evening, but in fact, it departed Friday night. The second of the announced flights is expected on Saturday at 23.45 (the same time as Moscow time). Meanwhile, on Saturday morning, a new flight of the Iraqi airline to Erbil, scheduled for 28 November, appeared in the schedule of the Minsk airport.
“According to the information received, two more export flights to Iraq will be operated on November 28 and 29 by Iraqi Airways,” the airport said in its Telegram channel.
About the flight on November 29, which was not previously reported, it explains that the arrival of the aircraft at the National Airport “Minsk” is expected at 20.45 (coincides with Moscow time), and the flight to Erbil – at 21.45. “Changes are possible in the flight schedule,” the message underlines.
Thus, the number of Iraqi Airways evacuation flights this week may reach five, and in total for November – seven.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
On Friday, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that, in addition to the two thousandth refugee camp in the trade and logistics center near the border with Poland, in the republic there may now be about 2-3 thousand more migrants from the Middle East. At the same time, earlier, about a thousand migrants, according to him, voluntarily returned to their homeland. Migrants return both by evacuation flights and individually. At the same time, the refugees in the trade and logistics center, according to the Belarusian authorities, generally do not yet express a desire to return to their homeland, waiting for a humanitarian corridor to the EU countries.
Lithuania, Latvia and Poland recently reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money, nor effort.” The border guards of Belarus have repeatedly stated about the forcible expulsion of migrants by Lithuania, Poland and Latvia to the Belarusian territory.

Berlin denied Lukashenka’s words about Germany’s readiness to accept migrants

BERLIN, 26 Nov – Berlin denied the words of the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko about the FRG’s readiness to accept migrants from the border, as it is supposedly “a small load.”
Earlier, Lukashenko appealed to the Polish leadership with a request to let the refugees who are on the border of the two countries go to Germany, since “this is a small burden for Germany.” Thus, the problem of the “crisis on the border” will be resolved, he added during a visit on Friday to a logistics center near the border with Poland, where Middle Eastern migrants are located, striving to enter the EU countries through Belarusian territory.
“I would like to refute something that I am currently reading in agency news feeds. There is a message dpa, according to which Lukashenka said today at the border with Poland that two thousand people is a small burden for Germany and that Chancellor (FRG Angela) Merkel “agrees to accept these people in Germany.” On behalf of the Chancellor and the federal government, I want to make it clear that this statement is wrong, it has been wrong for several days already, when Mr. Lukashenka and then his press secretary were already making it. This is not true, “- said at a briefing in Berlin, the official representative of the FRG government Steffen Seibert.
He added that in the situation with the migration crisis “we are not talking about a bilateral, German-Belarusian issue, but about a challenge with hybrid means, which is directed by Belarus against the EU.”
Recently, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money nor energy for this.

Lukashenko spoke about Belarus’ spending on refugees

MINSK, 26 Nov – President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that the West transferred 260 thousand dollars to the Belarusian Red Cross to help Middle Eastern refugees, and Minsk has already spent more than 12.6 million dollars.
“After my yesterday’s statement, the unfortunate 260 thousand were pitying. They transferred 260 thousand dollars to our Red Cross,” Lukashenka’s agency quoted as saying. Sputnik Belarus On Friday.
At the same time, he drew attention to the fact that this is only a small part of the costs that Belarus incurred to ensure acceptable conditions for refugees’ stay at the border. “We calculated three days earlier: we spent 12.6 million dollars on all these measures (talking about helping refugees – ed.),” Lukashenka said.
Lukashenko also suggested why Western funds to help refugees are not going to Belarus. “And why doesn’t the money go: our runaways (the Belarusian opposition that left for the EU countries – ed.) Are now sitting there – these are those who received funding step by step. Even for animals, nature protection, something else. But it went through Lithuania, Poland. And there were filters that washed, sucked this money. Now they are not. It is necessary to give Shevtsov directly (General Secretary of the Belarusian Red Cross Dmitry Shevtsov – ed.). And Shevtsov is a patriot, and this money will go only to people. And it will not stick to hands – there are no intermediaries. Therefore, they think through whom to transfer the money in order to steal half, “the Belarusian president said.
In November, a group of migrants, mostly Kurds, was formed near the border of Belarus and Poland, which numbered over 2 thousand people. The migrants tried to break through the border with Poland at the “Bruzgi” checkpoint in the Grodno region (on the Polish side – “Kuznitsa”), but the attempt was stopped by the Polish security forces with the help of special equipment. The Belarusian authorities have prepared a transport and logistics center located near the border checkpoint to accommodate migrants.
Recently, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland reported an increase in the number of detained illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa on the border with Belarus, Minsk was accused of creating a migration crisis. Minsk stated that they were not the organizers of the migration crisis. Lukashenko also noted that Minsk will no longer restrain the flow of illegal migrants to the EU countries: because of the West’s sanctions, there is “neither money nor energy for this.